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Black Abyss/Abismo Negro II

Name	Black Abyss/Abismo Negro II
Real name
Nicknames	"El Rey del Fuego"
Name history	El Fiero (debut-?), Ángel Mensajero (1990 - 2008), Colorman (1st Version), Televisa Deportes, Mascara Sagrada (some dates), Nautilius (2004 - 08/06), Triple A (II) (08/06 - ???), Black Abyss/Abismo Negro II (2008 - current)
Family	Bala de Plata, Luminoso (Brothers)
Maestro(s)	Manuel Hernandez, Principe Negro, Caudillo Jr. El Apache Abismo Negro
Birth date, location	December 20, 1972 - Mexicali, Baja California
Obituary date
Debut, location	December, 1987
Lost mask to
Height	185cm
Weight	100kg
Signature moves	Martinete, Martinete Especial, Frog Splash, Moonsault
Titles:	DWA Lightheavyweight Championship, X-LAW Tag Team Championship (with Mr. Tempest), Americas Heavyweight Championship

Notes

Origins

One of the most admired luchadores from Mexicali, Baja California. He began his career in lucha libre at the age of 15 even before his older brother Bala de Plata. Caudillo I, Príncipe Negro and Caudillo Jr. were his first maestros. He began his wrestling career on 1987. His first identity was El Fiero whose name was inspired in that Pontiac car model, but the gimmick was not what he expected and he decided to retire for about a year. In the meantime he was training in the gym and planning a new name and identity.

Angel Mensajero

When he made his return to the rings, he chose a new identity, he likes drawing and he designed a new mask and gear. He showed the new design to his brother and told him about the idea of his new name ringname as El Angel Mensajero, because he saw a movie about an Angel. The mask and gears designs were improving. He was very meticulous in all senses with his image and preparation.

He was local and state level draw and he was considered the best Mexicali luchador of his time. He was the first DWA World Lightheavyweight Champion and he had at least 16 title defenses against national level challengers. He won the X-LAW Tag Team Championship with Mr. Tempest. He held notable feuds that lead to lucha de apuestas matches. Angel Mensajero was one of the few luchadores who won Negro Azteca's hair whose reputation in apuestas matches is preceeded.

AAA Run

He made a good impression to Antonio Peña the day they met and wanted him in AAA. Peña presented him in AAA under the name of Angel Mensajero for the first time made appearance on AAA T., Then later returned to AAA under another new name, one that made more of an impression.

Paints Comex was one of AAA's sponsors and Antonio Peña was looking for a luchador to fill the gimmick of Colorman. He chose Angel Mensajero as the first version of the character. After being the first Colorman he was repackaged as Nautilius, he came into AAA as part of their "Nueva Imagen" campaign as a tecnico and feuded with his nemesis Aliens. He did not remain for long under that name.

After being Nautilius, he made a short return to the promotion to be the second wrestler to play the role of Triple A but the gimmick was very short and it went to someone else. Another gimmick thar he he assumed at some point was Televisa Deportes, but it is unclear about how long he was under that identity. Angel Mensajero also covered up for Máscara Sagrada in some dates while Sagrada was recovering.

The New Viper

Abismo Negro pulled one of his occasional vanishing acts in fall of 2007 missing several dates. In storyline (and perhaps elsewhere), his followers in Vipers Revolution resented Abismo not being around to support them, and Mr. Niebla led a coup to kick Abismo out of the group. Despite Abismo winning two singles matches to remain in control of the group, AAA bizarrely ruled in favor of Mr. Niebla being in control and Abismo being out of the group. This did not end the rivalry. Mr. Niebla's next move was to replace Abismo Negro in the group, but he surprised everyone by bringing a new Abismo Negro character as the replacement.

He was first introduced as the new Abismo Negro, the former Angel Mensajero fit the role perfectly. Black Abyss first debuted masquerading as Abismo Negro; the other Vipers had chained the original in the locker room, and Black Abyss took his place in the match, turning on his tecnico partners. No one quite figured out what was happening until the original ran out after the match to confront his doppelganger whose name was Black Abyss.

The idea of Black Abyss as the new member of the Vipers happened in a similar way as the one of Octagon vs Pentagon, Tiger Mask vs Black Tiger even Mr. Niebla protagonized a match against Mr. Niebla back in 1999, after a court battle over ownership of this name. Even odder, Black Abyss would quietly start to live his own the gimmick, and became the new Abismo Negro.

Abismo Negro vs Black Abyss

The Vipers Revolution/Abismo Negro feud never really had a conclusion. They would feud at most three months, then the original Abismo Negro would disappear from the company once again with no public explanation, but plenty of rumors. AAA had advertised a Mr. Niebla vs Abismo Negro mask match for TripleMania and later replaced it with a Vipers/Abismo cage mask match, but neither occurred because Abismo's absence. Instead, Psicosis, Histeria and Black Abyss were in a random trios match on TripleMania, while Mr. Niebla returned to CMLL on the same night.

AAA did not appear to have much use for the Vipers without Abismo Negro around to feud with them and were angry with Abismo Negro for his unreliability. Still, the character of Abismo Negro was still very popular. During the summer of 2008, Black Abyss wrestled under the Abismo Negro name (sometimes billed as Abismo Negro II) on some untelevised spot shows. Black Abyss acknowledged the change in interviews, but fans were largely unaware of the substitution. Before AAA brought the change to television, the original made his return to the promotion again, and Black Abyss went back to that name to feud with him.

Still, Abismo was in and out for the rest of 2008 and early 2009. Black Abyss would disappear from TV, then be brought back to TV when Abismo Negro returned. The two feuded thru the spring of 2009, including facing off in a Rey de Reyes semifinal, until Abismo Negro's passing.

After Abismo Negro's untimely death, there was discussion of Black Abyss either taking over the Abismo Negro (which would be acknowledged this time) and working as a tecnico as a tribute, or getting a new name to get a new start. Instead of either of those, Black Abyss just made one last TV match under that name, and then spent most of 2009 working the occasional spot show in the same role, but never on television. In December 2009 a new short-lived group of Vipers entered AAA, led by Black Abyss, including the third generation of Psicosis and Histeria and a newcomer, Amnesia.

Independent Circuit

When Black Abyss left the company his brother Bala de Plata and him registred the name of Black Abyss. They own the rights of the name, therefore he can use his name independently. He trained with Blue Panther and Ultimo Guerrero for a while in CMLL during the invasion of former AAA wrestlers named Los Independientes.

Luchas de apuestas record

Date	Apuesta	Winner(s)	Loser(s)	Arena and/or Place
??/??/??	mask	Angel Mensajero	Frankenstein Jr.	Arena Mexicali - Mexicali, Baja California
05/21/95	mask	Angel Mensajero	Asesino Blanco Jr.	Arena Coliseo Mexicali - Mexicali, Baja California
??/??/97	hair	Angel Mensajero	Negro Azteca	Mexicali, Baja California
??/??/??	mask	Nautilius	Fantomas	??, ??
??/??/??	hair	Angel Mensajero	Negro Azteca	Palenque del Fex - Mexicali, Baja California
06/05/06	hair (1)	Angel Mensajero	El Brazo	Palenque del Parque Vicente Guerrero - Mexicali, Baja California
01/01/07	hair (2)	Angel Mensajero	Tigre Leon	Arena Nacionalista-Mexicali,Baja California
06/22/12	hair (3)	Black Abyss	Enfermero Jr.	Auditorio de Tijuana - Tijuana, Baja California
(1)Captain's Fall Match w/ Angel Mensajero/Los Hego Boys vs El Brazo/Fuerza Guerrera/Pirata Morgan/Sangre Chicana - Pirata was the captain but he was bald so Brazo got shaved instead; (2)Cage Match; (3)Finals of a Ruleta de la Muerte

Gallery

early design of Angel Mensajero

as Angel Mensajero with Thunder Boy

with El Musical and Guerrero Rojo

as Angel Mensajero

2007

winning Negro Azteca's hair

as Angel Mensajero with the X-LAW Tag Team Championship and DWALightheavyweight Championship

as Nautilius

2005

as Nautilius

with the Vipers 2.0

with Black Abyss Jr.

with Luminoso

as Black Abyss

As a member of Vipers Revolution with Mini Vipers

with the Vipers 2.0

Black Abyss Brothers 2017

2018 Tribute

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-|nicknames= "El Angel Vengador"
+|nicknames="El Rey del Fuego"
-|nameHistory=Ángel Mensajero (1996 - current), Nautilius (2004 - 08/06), Triple A (II) (08/06 - ???), Black Abyss/Abismo Negro II (2008 - current)
+|nameHistory=El Fiero (debut-?), Ángel Mensajero (1990 - 2008), Colorman (1st Version), Televisa Deportes, Mascara Sagrada (some dates), Nautilius (2004 - 08/06), [[Triple A]] (II) (08/06 - ???), Black Abyss/Abismo Negro II (2008 - current)
-|family=
+|family=[[Bala de Plata (Baja California)|Bala de Plata]], [[Luminoso]] (Brothers)
-|maestro= [[Manuel Hernandez]], [[Principe Negro]] [[Caudillo Jr.]] [[El Apache]] [[Abismo Negro]]
+|maestro=[[Manuel Hernandez]], [[Principe Negro]], [[Caudillo Jr.]] [[El Apache]] [[Abismo Negro]]
-|birthdate=[[December 20]], [[1972]]
+|birthdate=[[December 20]], [[1972]] - [[Mexicali]], [[Baja California]]
-|debut=
+|debut=[[December]], [[1987]]
 |lostmaskto=
-|height=
+|height=185cm
-|weight=
+|weight=100kg
-|obituarydate=
+|obituarydate=|
-|signatureMoves=
+|signatureMoves=[[Martinete]], [[Double Arm Piledriver|Martinete Especial]], [[Frog Splash]], [[Moonsault]]
-|titles= DWA Championship, [[X-LAW Tag Team Championship]] (with [[Mr. Tempest]])
+|titles=[[DWA Lightheavyweight Championship]], [[X-LAW Tag Team Championship]] (with [[Mr. Tempest]]), [[Americas Heavyweight Championship]]
 |}}
 == Notes ==
-Originally from Baja California, Nautilius came into AAA as part of their "Nueuva Imagen" campaign as a tecnico. He didn't stick around too long.
+=== Origins ===
+One of the most admired luchadores from Mexicali, Baja California.  He began his career in lucha libre at the age of 15 even before his older brother [[Bala de Plata (Baja California)|Bala de Plata]].  Caudillo I, Príncipe Negro and Caudillo Jr. were his first maestros.  He began his wrestling career on 1987.  His first identity was El Fiero whose name was inspired in that Pontiac car model, but the gimmick was not what he expected and he decided to retire for about a year.  In the meantime he was training in the gym and planning a new name and identity.
-After doing a [[Abismo Negro]] knock off gimmick in the independents, the former Angel Mensajero returned to AAA as Black Abyss, the evil Vipers promoted clone of Abismo Negro.
+=== Angel Mensajero ===
+When he made his return to the rings, he chose a new identity, he likes drawing and he designed a new mask and gear.  He showed the new design to his brother and told him about the idea of his new name ringname as El Angel Mensajero, because he saw a movie about an Angel.  The mask and gears designs were improving. He was very meticulous in all senses with his image and preparation.
-The feud between Abismo Negro and [[Vipers Revolution]] never stayed on track because Abismo Negro had his issues making AAA TV tapings. Black Abyss continues as a member of the Vipers. During Abismo's summer of 2008 departure from the company, it's was rumored Black Abyss was now fulfilling his gimmick and working as (the new) Abismo Negro. Black Abyss confirmed this to be true, but the change never made it to television; the famous Abismo Negro returned, and Black Abyss remained with that gimmick. There were occasional appearances with Black Abyss wrestling as a sort of Abismo Negro II, but only the fans in attendance would've seen it (and might have not known it.)
+He was local and state level draw and he was considered the best Mexicali luchador of his time. He was the first DWA World Lightheavyweight Champion and he had at least 16 title defenses against national level challengers.  He won the [[X-LAW Tag Team Championship]] with [[Mr. Tempest (90s)|Mr. Tempest]].  He held notable  feuds that lead to lucha de apuestas matches.  Angel Mensajero was one of the few luchadores who won [[Negro Azteca]]'s hair whose reputation in apuestas matches is preceeded.
-The Vipers as a group disappeared from television during long stretches of 2008, usually around the same periods Abismo Negro was gone. Black Abyss disappeared from TV, then was brought back to TV when Abismo Negro returned. The two feuded thru the spring of 2009 until Abismo Negro's passing. Black Abyss has appeared only a couple times on TV since then, still as a rudo, but seemingly in limbo. Black Abyss has talked about continuing with the character to honor the memory of Abismo Negro, but AAA hasn't shown a lot of interest in using it on TV whenever the original hasn't been around.
+=== AAA Run ===
+He made a good impression to [[Antonio Peña]] the day they met and wanted him in AAA.   Peña presented him in AAA under the name of '''Angel Mensajero''' for the first time made appearance on AAA T., Then later returned to AAA under another new name, one that made more of an impression.
+Paints Comex was one of AAA's sponsors and Antonio Peña was looking for a luchador to fill the gimmick of '''Colorman'''.  He chose Angel Mensajero as the first version of the character.  After being the first Colorman he was repackaged as '''Nautilius''', he came into [[AAA]] as part of their "Nueva Imagen" campaign as a tecnico and feuded with his nemesis [[Aliens]]. He did not remain for long under that name.
+After being Nautilius, he made a short return to the promotion to be the second wrestler to play the role of [[Triple A]] but the gimmick was very short and it went to someone else.  Another gimmick thar he he assumed at some point was Televisa Deportes, but it is unclear about how long he was under that identity. Angel Mensajero also covered up for [[Máscara Sagrada]] in some dates while Sagrada was recovering.
+=== The New Viper ===
+Abismo Negro pulled one of his occasional vanishing acts in fall of 2007 missing several dates. In storyline (and perhaps elsewhere), his followers in [[Vipers Revolution]] resented Abismo not being around to support them, and [[Mr. Niebla]] led a coup to kick Abismo out of the group. Despite Abismo winning two singles matches to remain in control of the group, AAA bizarrely ruled in favor of Mr. Niebla being in control and Abismo being out of the group. This did not end the rivalry. Mr. Niebla's next move was to replace Abismo Negro in the group, but he surprised everyone by bringing a new Abismo Negro character as the replacement.
+He was first introduced as the new Abismo Negro, the former Angel Mensajero fit the role perfectly. Black Abyss first debuted masquerading as Abismo Negro; the other Vipers had chained the original in the locker room, and Black Abyss took his place in the match, turning on his tecnico partners. No one quite figured out what was happening until the original ran out after the match to confront his doppelganger whose name was Black Abyss.
+The idea of Black Abyss as the new member of the Vipers happened in a similar way as the one of [[Octagon]] vs [[Pentagon]], [[Tiger Mask]] vs [[Black Tiger]] even [[Mr. Niebla]] protagonized a match against [[Mr. Mexico|Mr. Niebla]] back in 1999, after a court battle over ownership of this name. Even odder, Black Abyss would quietly start to live his own the gimmick, and became the new Abismo Negro.
+=== Abismo Negro vs Black Abyss ===
+The Vipers Revolution/Abismo Negro feud never really had a conclusion. They would feud at most three months, then the original Abismo Negro would disappear from the company once again with no public explanation, but plenty of rumors. AAA had advertised a Mr. Niebla vs Abismo Negro mask match for TripleMania and later replaced it with a Vipers/Abismo cage mask match, but neither occurred because Abismo's absence. Instead, Psicosis, Histeria and Black Abyss were in a random trios match on TripleMania, while Mr. Niebla returned to CMLL on the same night.
+AAA did not appear to have much use for the Vipers without Abismo Negro around to feud with them and were angry with Abismo Negro for his unreliability. Still, the character of Abismo Negro was still very popular. During the summer of 2008, Black Abyss wrestled under the Abismo Negro name (sometimes billed as Abismo Negro II) on some untelevised spot shows. Black Abyss acknowledged the change in interviews, but fans were largely unaware of the substitution. Before AAA brought the change to television, the original made his return to the promotion again, and Black Abyss went back to that name to feud with him.
+Still, Abismo was in and out for the rest of 2008 and early 2009. Black Abyss would disappear from TV, then be brought back to TV when Abismo Negro returned. The two feuded thru the spring of 2009, including facing off in a [[Rey de Reyes]] semifinal, until Abismo Negro's passing.
+After Abismo Negro's untimely death, there was discussion of Black Abyss either taking over the Abismo Negro (which would be acknowledged this time) and working as a tecnico as a tribute, or getting a new name to get a new start. Instead of either of those, Black Abyss just made one last TV match under that name, and then spent most of 2009 working the occasional spot show in the same role, but never on television. In December 2009 a new short-lived group of Vipers entered AAA, led by Black Abyss, including the third generation of Psicosis and Histeria and a newcomer, Amnesia.
+=== Independent Circuit ===
+When Black Abyss left the company his brother Bala de Plata and him registred the name of Black Abyss.  They own the rights of the name, therefore he can use his name independently.  He trained with [[Blue Panther]] and [[Ultimo Guerrero]] for a while in CMLL during the invasion of former AAA wrestlers named Los Independientes.
 == Luchas de apuestas record ==
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+{{aline|??/??/??|mask|Angel Mensajero|[[Frankenstein Jr.]]|[[Arena Mexicali]] - [[Mexicali]], [[Baja California]]}}
+{{aline|[[May 21|05/21]]/[[1995|95]]|mask|Angel Mensajero|[[Asesino Blanco Jr.]]|[[Arena Coliseo Mexicali]] - [[Mexicali]], [[Baja California]]}}
 {{aline|[[??|??/??]]/[[??|97]]|hair|Angel Mensajero|[[Negro Azteca]]|[[Mexicali]], [[Baja California]]}}
-{{aline|[[June 5|06/05]]/[[2006|06]]|hair (1)|Angel Mensajero|[[El Brazo]]|[[Mexicali]], [[Baja California]]}}
+{{aline|[[??|??/??]]/[[??|??]]|mask|Nautilius|[[Monster Clown|Fantomas]]|[[??]], [[??]]}}
-{{aline|[[January 1|01/01]]/[[2007|07]]|hair|Angel Mensajero|[[Tigre Leon]]|[[Arena Nacionalista]]-[[Mexicali]],[[Baja California]]}}
+{{aline|??/??/??|hair|Angel Mensajero|[[Negro Azteca]]| [[Palenque del Fex]] - [[Mexicali]], [[Baja California]]}}
-{{aend|<b>(1)</b>Captain's Fall Match w/ Angel Mensajero/[[Los Hego Boys]] vs [[El Brazo]]/[[Fuerza Guerrera]]/[[Pirata Morgan]]/[[Sangre Chicana]] - Pirata was the captain but he was bald so Brazo got shaved instead}}
+{{aline|[[May 6|06/05]]/[[2006|06]]|hair (1)|Angel Mensajero|[[El Brazo]]|[[Palenque del Parque Vicente Guerrero]] - [[Mexicali]], [[Baja California]]}}
+{{aline|[[January 1|01/01]]/[[2007|07]]|hair (2)|Angel Mensajero|[[Tigre Leon]]|[[Arena Nacionalista]]-[[Mexicali]],[[Baja California]]}}
+{{aline|[[June 22|06/22]]/[[2012|12]]|hair (3)|Black Abyss|[[Enfermero Jr.]]|[[Auditorio de Tijuana]] - [[Tijuana]], [[Baja California]]}}
+{{aend|<b>(1)</b>Captain's Fall Match w/ Angel Mensajero/[[Los Hego Boys]] vs [[El Brazo]]/[[Fuerza Guerrera]]/[[Pirata Morgan]]/[[Sangre Chicana]] - Pirata was the captain but he was bald so Brazo got shaved instead; <b>(2)</b>Cage Match<b>; (3)</b>Finals of a Ruleta de la Muerte}}
 == Gallery ==
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+{{Gallery||name=FB IMG 1500541435355.jpg|caption=as Angel Mensajero with [[Thunder Boy (Mexicali)|Thunder Boy]]}}
+{{Gallery||name=FB IMG 1470266604133.jpg|caption=with [[El Musical]] and [[Guerrero Rojo]]}}
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-{{Gallery|name=Nautilus2.jpg|caption=2005}}
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-{{Gallery|name=Nautilus.jpg|caption=as Nautilius}}
+{{Gallery||name=Full-18.jpg|caption=2007}}
+<br clear=all>
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+{{Gallerywide|name=Full-15.jpg|caption=}}
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+{{Gallery|name=Screenshot 2017-01-05-18-44-21~01.png|caption=as Nautilius}}
-{{Gallery|name=Black Abyss.jpg|caption=as Black Abyss}}
+{{Gallery||name=FB IMG 1510682303966.jpg|caption=as Nautilius}}
+{{Gallery|name=Nautilus2.jpg|caption=2005}}
+<br clear=all>
+{{Gallery|name=Nautilus.jpg|caption=as Nautilius}}
+{{Gallerywide||name=FB IMG 1470468917683.jpg|caption=with the Vipers 2.0}}
+{{Gallery||name=FB IMG 1497682277804~01.jpg|caption=with [[Black Abyss Jr.]]}}
+{{Gallery|name=Full-25.jpg|caption=with [[Luminoso]]}}
+{{Gallerywide|name=Black Abyss.jpg|caption=as Black Abyss}}
+<br clear=all>
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+{{Gallery||name=NewVipers.jpg|caption=As a member of [[Vipers Revolution]] with [[Mini Vipers]]}}
+{{Gallery||name=D979261a.jpg|caption=with the Vipers 2.0}}
+{{Gallerywide||name=Received 1606908616021198~01.png|caption=}}
+<br clear=all>
+{{Gallerywide||name=Tmp-cam--1118045942.jpg|caption=Black Abyss Brothers 2017}}
+{{Gallery|name=Tmp-cam-165987853.jpg|caption=2018 Tribute}}
+{{Gallery|name=Tmp-cam--1078710225.jpg|caption=}}
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-[[Category:Current AAA/PAP wrestlers]]
+[[Category:Baja California based wrestlers]]
+[[Category:Mexicali based wrestlers]]
+[[Category:Former AAA/PAP wrestlers]]
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