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|name= Carta Brava II | |name= Carta Brava II | ||
|realName= Ricardo Gomez Ramirez | |realName= Ricardo Gomez Ramirez | ||
|nicknames= Rudy | |nicknames= Rudy, Chamaco Ramirez | ||
|nameHistory= Silueta Azul (1953), Rudy Gomez (1955), Carta Brava II (1960-1971). The titles Carta Brava "I" and "II" were given by reporters and then used by the public to distinguish the two of them. | |nameHistory= Silueta Azul (1953), Rudy Gomez (1955, infrequently), Carta Brava II (1960-1971). The titles Carta Brava "I" and "II" were given by reporters and then used by the public to distinguish the two of them. | ||
|family= Carlos Gomez | |family=[[La Silueta (Carlos Gomez)]] (brother) | ||
|maestro= | |maestro= | ||
|birthdate= 1925 - Mexico City | |birthdate=[[1925]] - [[Mexico City]] | ||
|debut= | |debut= | ||
|lostmaskto= | |lostmaskto=did not lose mask | ||
|height= 5'5" | |height= 5' 5"/165 cm | ||
|weight= 175 lbs | |weight= 175 lbs/79 kg | ||
|obituarydate= 2014 - Davis, California | |obituarydate= [[2014]] - Davis, California | ||
|signatureMoves= La Tapatia | |signatureMoves=[[La Tapatia]] | ||
|titles= Numerous city, state and national titles as Los Hermanos Carta Brava and as Rudy Gomez | |titles= Numerous city, state and national titles as Los Hermanos Carta Brava and as Rudy Gomez | ||
|}} | |}} | ||
== Notes == | == Notes == | ||
Rudy and Marco Antonio (He preferred to be addressed as "Tony") were lifelong friends since childhood. Rudy affectionately referred to Tony as his "mancuerna" or "senos companeros". (Affectionately, his brother in life and in wrestling). Rudy wrestled together with Tony and against him before the creation of Los Hermanos Carta Brava. Rudy also wrestled as a masked wrestler (La Silueta Azul), an unmasked wrestler, a tecnico (good guy) and a rudo (bad guy) before becoming Carta Brava II. Rudy related that Marco never wrestled without a mask or wrestled as a rudo. | Rudy and Marco Antonio (He preferred to be addressed as "Tony") were lifelong friends since childhood. Rudy affectionately referred to Tony as his "mancuerna" or "senos companeros". (Affectionately, his brother in life and in wrestling). Rudy wrestled together with Tony and against him before the creation of Los Hermanos Carta Brava. Rudy also wrestled as a masked wrestler (La Silueta Azul), an unmasked wrestler, a tecnico (good guy) and a rudo (bad guy) before becoming Carta Brava II. Rudy related that Marco never wrestled without a mask or wrestled as a rudo. | ||
During wrestling tours throughout Mexico as Los Hermanos Carta Brava, if another wrestler did not have an opponent or a replacement was needed, Rudy would go unmasked as wrestle as "Ruddy Gomez". He never tired of wrestling and lived to wrestle anywhere there was a venue to wrestle in. | During wrestling tours throughout Mexico as Los Hermanos Carta Brava, if another wrestler did not have an opponent or a replacement was needed, Rudy would go unmasked as wrestle as "Ruddy Gomez". He never tired of wrestling and lived to wrestle anywhere there was a venue to wrestle in. One of their most memorable feuds was against the James Brothers (Peter and Jimmy James). Rudy suffered an injury from Jimmy James, then recovered a year later to end the James brother's career. Rudy retired from the ring in 1971. | ||
There was never any animosity between Marco and Daniel Garcia Arteaga who was given the persona of Huracan Ramirez. They were very good friends outside of the ring and inside of the ring and had great respect for each other. Additionally, Los Hermanos Carta Brava wrestled as a trio with Huracan Ramirez, El Santo and other famous wrestlers on several occasions. | There was never any animosity between Marco and Daniel Garcia Arteaga who was given the persona of Huracan Ramirez. They were very good friends outside of the ring and inside of the ring and had great respect for each other. Additionally, Los Hermanos Carta Brava wrestled as a trio with Huracan Ramirez, El Santo and other famous wrestlers on several occasions. | ||
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A note of understanding about the mask design of Carta Brava: Rudy related that Marco had actually created 3 designs for the Huracan Ramirez persona after having played the part himself in the beginning creation of the persona and the movie. Marco even did the wrestling scenes in the first movie as Huracan Ramirez. After not accepting the persona of Huracan Ramirez due to monetary demands from the creators of the persona and movie, Marco created the persona of Carta Brava and began wrestling under the new name with a solid black mask and black trunks. Two of the designs that he created for the Huracan Ramirez mask stayed with the Huracan Ramirez persona and he kept the third design which is the current design of the Carta Brava mask. | A note of understanding about the mask design of Carta Brava: Rudy related that Marco had actually created 3 designs for the Huracan Ramirez persona after having played the part himself in the beginning creation of the persona and the movie. Marco even did the wrestling scenes in the first movie as Huracan Ramirez. After not accepting the persona of Huracan Ramirez due to monetary demands from the creators of the persona and movie, Marco created the persona of Carta Brava and began wrestling under the new name with a solid black mask and black trunks. Two of the designs that he created for the Huracan Ramirez mask stayed with the Huracan Ramirez persona and he kept the third design which is the current design of the Carta Brava mask. | ||
Rudy stated the mask design was never a "consolation prize" as rumored since Marco himself had designed them. Rudy stated that Marco had told him that he had been paid for the two designs which were a bit more elaborate than the one he kept | Rudy stated the mask design was never a "consolation prize" as rumored since Marco himself had designed them. Rudy stated that Marco had told him that he had been paid for the two designs which were a bit more elaborate than the one he kept using as the Carta Brava design. Rudy had also related that Marco was not willing to pay for the use of the name and persona of Huracan Ramirez. It was only until Marco had asked Rudy to join him as a wrestling partner did he add the design on the side of the mask that he kept from the original Huracan Ramirez designs. | ||
Before Rudy retired, he and Marco had added a curve to the bottom curl of the design which was originally straight. Rudy had talked about the way masks were evolving and becoming more elaborate with the designs and colors. Rudy had always wanted to see the Carta Brava mask in a more brilliant color but retain its original design. He did state | Before Rudy retired, he and Marco had added a curve to the bottom curl of the design which was originally straight. Rudy had talked about the way masks were evolving and becoming more elaborate with the designs and colors. Rudy had always wanted to see the Carta Brava mask in a more brilliant color but retain its original design. He did state the face of the mask was meant to be dark or to be the same color as the mask itself since the name Carta Brava meant "Wild Card" as in a card game. The opponent was never to know the face of the other player. | ||
Rudy was surprised when he learned that Marco had lost his mask to Leon Negro. Marco was a devout wrestler and protected the persona of Carta Brava. Rudy did say that they both received long lasting injuries from their careers as luchadores | Rudy was surprised when he learned that Marco had lost his mask to Leon Negro. Marco was a devout wrestler and protected the persona of Carta Brava. Rudy did say that they both received long-lasting injuries from their careers as luchadores and it was most probable that Marco succumbed to those earlier injuries in his later life as a luchador. | ||
After retiring to the United States, Rudy taught wrestling to those who aspired to learn lucha libre. | After retiring to the United States, Rudy taught wrestling to those who aspired to learn lucha libre. | ||
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It was not known exactly how Marco died since they both lost communication with each other after Marco had lost his mask. Rudy died of kidney failure at home with his family. The last mask he wore as Carta Brava II was given to his granddaughter who keeps it encased and mounted in her living room along with a large picture of him. | It was not known exactly how Marco died since they both lost communication with each other after Marco had lost his mask. Rudy died of kidney failure at home with his family. The last mask he wore as Carta Brava II was given to his granddaughter who keeps it encased and mounted in her living room along with a large picture of him. | ||
NOTAS EN ESPANOL | === Carta Brava name confusion === | ||
Two other wrestlers assumed the name and mask of Carta Brava after Rudy retired in 1971 to move to the United States, believed to be unrelated to the original wrestlers. Marco Antonio told Rudy that he allowed two other wrestlers to use the name of Carta Brava after Rudy had retired, though neither of the original wrestlers ever teamed with the new versions. One of the wrestlers, [[Perro Sosa]], lost the mask in a match not long after assuming the name of Carta Brava. [[Bobby Bolaños|Roberto "Bobby" Bolaños]] also used the name of Carta Brava and quickly lost his mask in 1972. | |||
Two wrestlers started wrestling under the Carta Brava name in 2000s. Neither [[Carta Brava Jr (IWL)]] nor [[Carta Brava Jr (AAA)]] are related to the original Carta Bravas. It's possible they're related to those who used the names briefly in the 1970s, or possibly acquired the name from those men. | |||
== NOTAS EN ESPANOL == | |||
Ha habido mucho misterio y especulación sobre el nombre Carta Brava y los dos Carta Brava Jrs actuales. Esta biografía fue creada para dejar en claro el origen y la trayectoria de la Carta Brava original y su pareja de lucha Rudy Gomez - Carta Brava II. | Ha habido mucho misterio y especulación sobre el nombre Carta Brava y los dos Carta Brava Jrs actuales. Esta biografía fue creada para dejar en claro el origen y la trayectoria de la Carta Brava original y su pareja de lucha Rudy Gomez - Carta Brava II. | ||
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No se sabía exactamente cómo murió Marco, ya que ambos perdieron la comunicación después de que Marco perdió su máscara. Rudy murió de insuficiencia renal en casa con su familia. La última máscara que usó como Carta Brava II se la dio a su nieta, quien la mantiene encerrada y montada en su sala con una foto grande de él. | No se sabía exactamente cómo murió Marco, ya que ambos perdieron la comunicación después de que Marco perdió su máscara. Rudy murió de insuficiencia renal en casa con su familia. La última máscara que usó como Carta Brava II se la dio a su nieta, quien la mantiene encerrada y montada en su sala con una foto grande de él. | ||
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{{Gallery|name=20200519 140544.jpg|caption= Rudy (unmasked) at a wrestling forum in which El Santo was discussing the future of Lucha Libre}} | {{Gallery|name=20200519 140544.jpg|caption= Rudy (unmasked) at a wrestling forum in which El Santo was discussing the future of Lucha Libre}} | ||
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{{Gallery|name=20200519 140401.jpg|caption= Posing with El Santo before a wrestling match as a trio}} | {{Gallery|name=20200519 140401.jpg|caption= Posing with El Santo before a wrestling match as a trio}} | ||
{{Gallery|name=20200519 140924.jpg|caption= A promotional picture of Rudy as Carta Brava II}} | {{Gallery|name=20200519 140924.jpg|caption= A promotional picture of Rudy as Carta Brava II}} | ||
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{{Gallery|name=20200519 140522.jpg|caption= Rudy trying to get back into the ring after delivering a tope suicidio}} | {{Gallery|name=20200519 140522.jpg|caption= Rudy trying to get back into the ring after delivering a tope suicidio}} | ||
{{Gallery|name=20200519 140349.jpg|caption= A promotional picture of Los Hermanos Carta Brava}} | {{Gallery|name=20200519 140349.jpg|caption= A promotional picture of Los Hermanos Carta Brava}} | ||
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{{Gallery|name=20210526 173431.jpg|caption= Rudy teaching his students Lucha Libre}} | {{Gallery|name=20210526 173431.jpg|caption= Rudy teaching his students Lucha Libre}} | ||
{{Gallery|name=20210527 185148.jpg|caption= Rudy before becoming Carta Brava II}} | {{Gallery|name=20210527 185148.jpg|caption= Rudy before becoming Carta Brava II}} | ||
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{{Gallery|name=Carta brava1.jpg|caption= Marco and Rudy after Marco had won the mask of another wrestler}} | {{Gallery|name=Carta brava1.jpg|caption= Marco and Rudy after Marco had won the mask of another wrestler}} | ||
{{Gallery|name=20210527 185454.jpg|caption= Rudy in wrestling mode}} | {{Gallery|name=20210527 185454.jpg|caption= Rudy in wrestling mode}} | ||
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{{Gallery|name=IMG 9546-1-.jpg|caption= the last mask Rudy wore before retiring}} | {{Gallery|name=IMG 9546-1-.jpg|caption= the last mask Rudy wore before retiring}} | ||
{{Gallery|name=IMG 9545-1-.jpg|caption= the last mask Rudy wore before retiring}} | {{Gallery|name=IMG 9545-1-.jpg|caption= the last mask Rudy wore before retiring}} | ||
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{{Gallery|name=20210526 173327-1-.jpg|caption= Rudy as the main event - before he became Carta Brava II}} | {{Gallery|name=20210526 173327-1-.jpg|caption= Rudy as the main event - before he became Carta Brava II}} | ||
{{Gallery|name=20210529 194012.jpg|caption= Rudy with Huracan Ramirez and Misterio Negro II}} | {{Gallery|name=20210529 194012.jpg|caption= Rudy with Huracan Ramirez and Misterio Negro II}} | ||
{{Gallery|name=20210529 193921.jpg|caption= Rudy with Misterio Negro II and Huracan Ramirez}} | {{Gallery|name=20210529 193921.jpg|caption= Rudy with Misterio Negro II and Huracan Ramirez}} | ||
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Notes
Rudy and Marco Antonio (He preferred to be addressed as "Tony") were lifelong friends since childhood. Rudy affectionately referred to Tony as his "mancuerna" or "senos companeros". (Affectionately, his brother in life and in wrestling). Rudy wrestled together with Tony and against him before the creation of Los Hermanos Carta Brava. Rudy also wrestled as a masked wrestler (La Silueta Azul), an unmasked wrestler, a tecnico (good guy) and a rudo (bad guy) before becoming Carta Brava II. Rudy related that Marco never wrestled without a mask or wrestled as a rudo.
During wrestling tours throughout Mexico as Los Hermanos Carta Brava, if another wrestler did not have an opponent or a replacement was needed, Rudy would go unmasked as wrestle as "Ruddy Gomez". He never tired of wrestling and lived to wrestle anywhere there was a venue to wrestle in. One of their most memorable feuds was against the James Brothers (Peter and Jimmy James). Rudy suffered an injury from Jimmy James, then recovered a year later to end the James brother's career. Rudy retired from the ring in 1971.
There was never any animosity between Marco and Daniel Garcia Arteaga who was given the persona of Huracan Ramirez. They were very good friends outside of the ring and inside of the ring and had great respect for each other. Additionally, Los Hermanos Carta Brava wrestled as a trio with Huracan Ramirez, El Santo and other famous wrestlers on several occasions.
A note of understanding about the mask design of Carta Brava: Rudy related that Marco had actually created 3 designs for the Huracan Ramirez persona after having played the part himself in the beginning creation of the persona and the movie. Marco even did the wrestling scenes in the first movie as Huracan Ramirez. After not accepting the persona of Huracan Ramirez due to monetary demands from the creators of the persona and movie, Marco created the persona of Carta Brava and began wrestling under the new name with a solid black mask and black trunks. Two of the designs that he created for the Huracan Ramirez mask stayed with the Huracan Ramirez persona and he kept the third design which is the current design of the Carta Brava mask.
Rudy stated the mask design was never a "consolation prize" as rumored since Marco himself had designed them. Rudy stated that Marco had told him that he had been paid for the two designs which were a bit more elaborate than the one he kept using as the Carta Brava design. Rudy had also related that Marco was not willing to pay for the use of the name and persona of Huracan Ramirez. It was only until Marco had asked Rudy to join him as a wrestling partner did he add the design on the side of the mask that he kept from the original Huracan Ramirez designs.
Before Rudy retired, he and Marco had added a curve to the bottom curl of the design which was originally straight. Rudy had talked about the way masks were evolving and becoming more elaborate with the designs and colors. Rudy had always wanted to see the Carta Brava mask in a more brilliant color but retain its original design. He did state the face of the mask was meant to be dark or to be the same color as the mask itself since the name Carta Brava meant "Wild Card" as in a card game. The opponent was never to know the face of the other player.
Rudy was surprised when he learned that Marco had lost his mask to Leon Negro. Marco was a devout wrestler and protected the persona of Carta Brava. Rudy did say that they both received long-lasting injuries from their careers as luchadores and it was most probable that Marco succumbed to those earlier injuries in his later life as a luchador.
After retiring to the United States, Rudy taught wrestling to those who aspired to learn lucha libre.
It was not known exactly how Marco died since they both lost communication with each other after Marco had lost his mask. Rudy died of kidney failure at home with his family. The last mask he wore as Carta Brava II was given to his granddaughter who keeps it encased and mounted in her living room along with a large picture of him.
Carta Brava name confusion
Two other wrestlers assumed the name and mask of Carta Brava after Rudy retired in 1971 to move to the United States, believed to be unrelated to the original wrestlers. Marco Antonio told Rudy that he allowed two other wrestlers to use the name of Carta Brava after Rudy had retired, though neither of the original wrestlers ever teamed with the new versions. One of the wrestlers, Perro Sosa, lost the mask in a match not long after assuming the name of Carta Brava. Roberto "Bobby" Bolaños also used the name of Carta Brava and quickly lost his mask in 1972.
Two wrestlers started wrestling under the Carta Brava name in 2000s. Neither Carta Brava Jr (IWL) nor Carta Brava Jr (AAA) are related to the original Carta Bravas. It's possible they're related to those who used the names briefly in the 1970s, or possibly acquired the name from those men.
NOTAS EN ESPANOL
Ha habido mucho misterio y especulación sobre el nombre Carta Brava y los dos Carta Brava Jrs actuales. Esta biografía fue creada para dejar en claro el origen y la trayectoria de la Carta Brava original y su pareja de lucha Rudy Gomez - Carta Brava II.
Rudy y Marco Antonio (Prefería que lo llamaran "Tony") fueron amigos de toda la vida desde la infancia. Rudy se refirió a Tony como su "mancuerna" o "senos compañeros". (Cariñosamente, su hermano en la vida y en la lucha libre). Rudy luchó junto con Tony y contra él antes de la creación de Los Hermanos Carta Brava. Rudy también luchó como un luchador enmascarado (La Silueta Azul), un luchador desenmascarado, un técnico y un rudo antes de convertirse en Carta Brava II. Rudy relató que Marco nunca luchó sin máscara ni luchó como rudo.
Durante las giras de lucha por todo México como Los Hermanos Carta Brava, si otro luchador no tenía un oponente o se necesitaba un reemplazo, Rudy se desenmascaraba y luchaba como "Ruddy Gómez". Nunca se cansó de luchar y vivió para luchar en cualquier lugar donde hubiera un lugar para luchar.
Durante un partido contra Los Hermanos James (Peter y Jimmy), Rudy sufrió una lastimura intencional de Jimmy James que resultaría en una rivalidad con Los Hermanos James. Se sabía que Los Hermanos James usaban tácticas ilegales en sus partidos e hirieran intencionalmente a sus oponentes para ganar un partido. Después de casi un año, Rudy se recuperó de la lastimura a la espina dorsal y buscó venganza contra Jimmy James. Tanto él como Marco desafiaron públicamente a los James Brothers a una revancha en la que los fanáticos exigieron al promotor que hiciera realidad. En la revancha, Los Hermanos Carta Brava vencieron a Los Hermanos James en un violento partido de tres asaltos que pondría fin a la carrera de Los Hermanos James.
Después de que Rudy se retiró en 1971 para mudarse a los Estados Unidos, otros dos luchadores asumieron el nombre y la máscara de Carta Brava. Antes de su muerte, Rudy relató que Marco Antonio no tenía un hijo o un familiar masculino que asumiera el nombre y la personalidad de Carta Brava. Rudy también relató que Marco Antonio le informó que permitió que otros dos luchadores usaran el nombre de Carta Brava después de que Rudy se retiró. Uno de los luchadores, Perro Sosa, perdió la máscara en un combate poco después de asumir el nombre de Carta Brava. Roberto "Bobby" Bolaños fue el otro luchador que usó el nombre de Carta Brava y rápidamente perdió su máscara en 1972.
Ninguno de los dos era el Carta Brava "original" ya que el único original fue Marco Antonio quien creó la persona y luego Rudy Gómez a quien pidió ser su compañero de lucha como Los Hermanos Carta Brava. Marco Antonio nunca luchó con estos otros dos luchadores como dúo. Su único compañero en la lucha libre como Los Hermanos Carta Brava fue Rudy Gómez. Se sospecha que el actual Carta Brava Jr (AAA) y el otro Carta Brava Jr (IWL) son hijos de uno de los dos luchadores que asumieron el nombre y la personalidad de Carta Brava después de que Rudy se retiró y después de que Marco Antonio perdió su máscara contra León Negro.
En este sitio de Luchawiki bajo el nombre CARTA BRAVA, recientemente se ha insertado una nueva imagen en la galería. Se cree que este es Perro Sosa, luchando bajo el nuevo nombre asumido de Carta Brava. Es seguro que no se trata de Marco Antonio García o Rudy Gómez. En el artículo se dice que él es el "nuevo" Carta Brava y es un "rudo". Ni Marco Antonio o Rudy lucharon como "rudos" mientras eran Los Hermanos Carta Brava. Lucharon como "técnicos".
Nunca hubo animosidad entre Marco y Daniel García Arteaga, a quien se le dio la personalidad de Huracán Ramírez. Eran muy buenos amigos fuera del ring y dentro del ring y se tenían un gran respeto uno por el otro. Además, Los Hermanos Carta Brava luchó como trío con Huracán Ramírez, El Santo y otros luchadores famosos en varias ocasiones.
Una nota de comprensión sobre el diseño de la máscara de Carta Brava: Rudy relató que Marco en realidad había creado 3 diseños para el personaje de Huracán Ramírez después de haber interpretado el papel él mismo en la creación inicial del personaje y la película. Marco incluso hizo las escenas de lucha libre en la primera película como Huracán Ramírez. Después de no aceptar la personalidad de Huracán Ramírez debido a las demandas monetarias de los creadores de la persona y la película, Marco creó la personalidad de Carta Brava y comenzó a luchar bajo el nuevo nombre con una máscara negra sólida y calzon negro. Dos de los diseños que creó para la máscara de Huracán Ramírez se quedaron con la personalidad de Huracán Ramírez y mantuvo el tercer diseño, que es el diseño actual de la máscara de Carta Brava
Rudy dijo que el diseño de la máscara nunca fue un "premio de consolación" como se rumorea, ya que el propio Marco las había diseñado. Rudy dijo que Marco le había dicho que le habían pagado por los dos diseños, que eran un poco más elaborados que el que seguía usando como diseño de Carta Brava. Rudy también había relatado que Marco no estaba dispuesto a pagar por el uso del nombre y la personalidad de Huracán Ramírez. Después de que Marco le pidió a Rudy que se uniera con él como compañero de lucha, colocó los diseños en el los lados laterales de la máscara que guardaba de los diseños originales de Huracán Ramírez.
Antes de que Rudy se retirara, él y Marco habían agregado una curva al rizo inferior del diseño que originalmente era recto. Rudy había hablado sobre la forma en que las máscaras evolucionaban y se volvían más elaboradas con los diseños y colores. Rudy siempre había querido ver la máscara Carta Brava en un color más brillante pero conservando su diseño original. Dijo que la cara de la máscara estaba destinada a ser oscura o del mismo color que la máscara en sí, ya que el nombre Carta Brava significa "Comodín" como en un juego de cartas. El oponente nunca conocería la cara del otro jugador.
Rudy se sorprendió cuando se enteró de que Marco había perdido su máscara ante León Negro. Marco era un luchador devoto y protegía la personalidad de Carta Brava. Rudy dijo que ambos recibieron lesiones duraderas de sus carreras como luchadores y que era más probable que Marco sucumbiera a esas lesiones anteriores en su vida posterior como luchador.
Después de retirarse a los Estados Unidos, Rudy enseñó lucha libre a quienes aspiraban a aprender lucha libre.
No se sabía exactamente cómo murió Marco, ya que ambos perdieron la comunicación después de que Marco perdió su máscara. Rudy murió de insuficiencia renal en casa con su familia. La última máscara que usó como Carta Brava II se la dio a su nieta, quien la mantiene encerrada y montada en su sala con una foto grande de él.
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