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| | I don't want to redo the whole page to add Chucho Anaya as the first reign, at least not without a year or a date, but it's probably accurate. --[[User:Nkhan|thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Nkhan|talk]]) 13:52, 12 May 2016 (PDT) |
| {{TitleHistorySpan|[[Mexican National Light Heavyweight Tournament, 1942|tournament to decide initial champion]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|1|[[Jesus Anaya]]|[[Black Guzman]]|1942.09.23|[[Mexico City]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|2|[[Black Guzman]]|[[Jesus Anaya]]|1943.03.23|[[Mexico City]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|3|[[Gorila Ramos]]|[[Black Guzman]]|1944.09.22|[[Mexico City]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|4|[[Tarzan Lopez]]|[[Gorilla Ramos]]|1944.10.18|[[Mexico City]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|5|[[Black Guzman]] [2]|[[Tarzan Lopez]]|1945.01.18|[[Mexico City]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|6|[[Tarzan Lopez]] [2]|[[Black Guzman]]|1947.04.12|[[Puebla]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|7|[[Cavernario Galindo]]|[[Tarzan Lopez]]|1949.07.01|[[Arena Coliseo DF]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|8|[[Enrique Llanes]]|[[Cavernario Galindo]]|1950.12.03|[[Arena Coliseo DF]]}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|Llanes leaves EMLL in [[1951]], vacates championship}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|[[Mexican National Light Heavyweight Tournament, 1951|tournament for vacant championship]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|9|[[Tarzan Lopez]] [3]|[[Joe Grant]]|1956.09.09|[[Mexico City]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Joe Grant]]|1956.??.??|Tampico}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|wins [[NWA World Light Heavyweight Championship]] in 1957}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|[[Mexican National Light Heavyweight Tournament, 1957|tournament for vacant championship]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|10|[[Espectro I]]|[[Bobby Bonales]]|1957.04.21|[[Monterrey]]}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|Espectro retires in 1959}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|[[Mexican National Light Heavyweight Tournament, 1960|tournament for vacant championship]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|11|[[Ruben Juarez]]|[[Rey Mendoza]]|1960.09.23|[[Mexico City]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|12|[[Ray Mendoza]]|[[Ruben Juarez]]|1963.10.16|[[Mexico City]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|13|[[Alfonso Dantes]]|[[Rey Mendoza]]|1964.04.04|[[Guadalajara]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|14|[[Ray Mendoza]] [2]|[[Alfonso Dantes]]|1964.07.15|[[Guadalajara]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|15|[[Alfonso Dantes]] [2]|[[Rey Mendoza]]|1965.05.05|[[Arena Coliseo DF]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|16|[[Espanto I]]|[[Alfonso Dantes]]|1965.02.15|[[Torreon]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|17|[[El Santo]]|[[Espanto I]]|1965.12.02|[[Mexicali]]}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|vacates championship upon winning [[Mexican National Middleweight Championship]] on [[1966|66]].03}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|decision match for vacant title}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|18|[[Mil Mascaras]]|[[Ray Mendoza]]|1966.03.02|[[Arena Mexico]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|19|[[El Nazi]]|[[Mil Mascaras]]|1967.10.15|[[Tamaulipas]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|20|[[Mil Mascaras]] [2]|[[El Nazi]]|1968.03.22|[[Arena Mexico]]}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|vacates championship on 06.[[1968|68]] for unknown reasons}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|[[Mexican National Light Heavyweight Tournament, 1968|tournament for vacant championship]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|21|[[Alfonso Dantes]] [3]|[[Potro de Oro]]|1968.07.20|[[Guadalajara]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|22|[[Ray Mendoza]] [3]|[[Alfonso Dantes]]|1968.08.20|[[Guadalajara]]}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|vacates championship on 03.[[1969|69]] for unknown reasons}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|decision match for vacant title}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|23|[[El Santo]] [2]|[[El Solitario]]|1969.08.15|[[Arena Mexico]]}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|comission forces Santo to vacate championship on 09.[[1969|69]]}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|decision match for vacant title}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|24|[[Raul Mata]]|[[Angel Blanco]]|1969.10.07|}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|25|[[Alfonso Dantes]] [4]|[[Raul Mata]]|1971.10.08|[[Guadalajara]]}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|Dantes wins the [[NWA World Light Heavyweight Championship]], vacates around [[1971|71]].07}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|[[Mexican National Light Heavyweight Tournament, 1973|tournament for vacant championship]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|26|[[Dr. Wagner]]|[[Enrique Vera]]|1973.03.16|[[Arena Mexico]]}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|Wagner wins the [[NWA World Light Heavyweight Championship]], vacates [[1974|74]].[[September 22|09.22]]}}
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| {{TitleHistorySpan|[[Mexican National Light Heavyweight Tournament, 1974|tournament for vacant championship]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|27|[[Alfonso Dantes]] [5]|[[El Halcon]]|1974.12.15|[[Arena Mexico]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|28|[[Dr. Wagner]] [2]|[[Alfonso Dantes]]|1976.04.11|[[Guadalajara]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Canek]]|1977.06.19|Palacio De Los Deportes}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|29|[[Canek]]|[[Dr. Wagner]]|1978.01.15|[[Toreo de Cuatro Caminos]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|30|[[Dos Caras]]|[[Canek]]|1978.06.20|[[Pachuca]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|31|[[Astro Rey]]|[[Dos Caras]]|1979.04.08|[[Toreo de Cuatro Caminos]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|32|[[Dr. Wagner]] [3]|[[Astro Rey]]|1979.11.11|[[Toluca]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|33|[[Enrique Vera]]|[[Dr. Wagner]]|1980.11.30|[[Mexico City]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|34|[[Alfonso Dantes]] [6]|[[Enrique Vera]]|1981.09.18|[[Arena Mexico]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Mascara Ano 2000]]|1981.12.04|Arena Mexico}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|35|[[Baby Face]]|[[Alfonso Dantes]]|1981.12.27|[[Toreo de Cuatro Caminos]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|36|[[Mano Negra]]|[[Baby Face]]|1983.07.30|[[Arena Isabel De Cuernavaca]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|37|[[Valente Fernandez]]|[[Mano Negra]]|1984.09.02|[[Monterrey]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|38|[[Sangre Chicana]]|[[Valente Fernandez]]|1986.03.02|[[Monterrey]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|39|[[Valente Fernandez]] [2]|[[Sangre Chicana]]|1986.03.09|[[Monterrey]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|40|[[Luis Mariscal]]|[[Valente Fernandez]]|1986.04.06|[[Toluca]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|41|[[El Halcon '78]]|[[Luis Mariscal]]|1986.10.16|[[Pista Arena Revolucion]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|42|[[Pierroth|Pierroth Jr.]]|[[El Halcon '78]]|1988.04.04|Arena San Lorenzo}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[MS-1]]|1988.07.28|[[Arena Isabel De Cuernavaca]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[El Faraon]]|1990.08.05|Arena Coliseo DF}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|3|[[Mascara Sagrada]]|1991.02.01|Arena Coliseo DF}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|43|[[Mascara Sagrada]]|[[Pierroth|Pierroth Jr.]]|1991.03.28|[[Arena Isabel De Cuernavaca]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Jerry Estrada]]|1991.06.19|Arena Coliseo De Acapulco}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[Pierroth Jr.]]|1991.08.24|Pista Arena Revolucion}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|3|[[Pierroth Jr.]]|1991.08.28|Arena Naucalpan}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|4|[[Pirata Morgan]]|1991.09.06|Arena Mexico}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|5|[[Pierroth Jr.]]|1991.11.03|Arena Mexico}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|44|[[Universo 2000]]|[[Mascara Sagrada]]|1992.05.29|[[Veracruz]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Mascara Sagrada]]|1992.07.18|Arena Xochimilco}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[Mascara Sagrada]]|1992.07.24|Aguascalientes}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|45|[[Lizmark]]|[[Universo 2000]]|1992.09.18|[[Arena Coliseo De Acapulco]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[LA Park|La Parka]]|1992.12.20|[[Arena Coliseo De Acapulco]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[LA Park|La Parka]]|1993.04.11|[[Arena Coliseo De Acapulco]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|3|[[LA Park|La Parka]]|1993.04.30|[[Plaza De Toros, Mexico City]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|4|[[Jerry Estrada]]|1993.06.18|[[Gimnasio Juan De La Barera]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|5|[[Satanico]]|1993.09.17|[[Gimnasio Juan De La Barera]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|6|[[LA Park|La Parka]]|1994.07.18|[[Leon]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|46|[[LA Park|La Parka]]|[[Lizmark]]|1994.09.09|[[Rio Bravo]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Jerry Estrada]]|1995.02.17|[[Gimnasio Juan De La Barera]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|47|[[Jerry Estrada]]|[[LA Park|La Parka]]|1995.03.28|[[Matamoros]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Lizmark]]|1995.07.09|[[Arena Coliseo De Acapulco]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|48|[[LA Park|La Parka]] [2]|[[Jerry Estrada]]|1995.08.06|[[Arena Coliseo De Monterrey]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|49|[[Pierroth Jr.|Pierroth]] [3]|[[LA Park|La Parka]]|1996.01.20|[[Mexicali]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|50|[[LA Park|La Parka]] [3]|[[Pierroth Jr.|Pierroth]]|1996.01.26|[[Tijuana]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Jerry Estrada]]|1996.03.18|[[Nuevo Laredo]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|51|[[Pimpinela Escarlata]]|[[LA Park|La Parka]]|1996.05.20|[[Nuevo Laredo]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|52|[[Latin Lover]]|[[Pimpinela Escarlata]]|1996.09.09|[[Nuevo Laredo]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|53|[[Sangre Chicana]]|[[Latin Lover]]|1997.09.16|[[Nuevo Laredo]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|54|[[Heavy Metal]]|[[Sangre Chicana]]|1998.03.03|[[Mexico City]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|55|[[Sangre Chicana]] [2]|[[Heavy Metal]]|1998.12.07|[[Monterrey]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Mascara Sagrada]]|1998.08.09|Nuevo Laredo}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[Latin Lover]]|1999.02.14|Arena Solidaridad De Monterrey}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|56|[[Hector Garza]]|[[Sangre Chicana]]|2000.04.30|[[Arena Solidaridad De Monterrey]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Abismo Negro]]|2000.05.17|Arena Lopez Mateos}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[Perro Aguayo Jr.]]|2000.10.06|Auditorio De Tijuana}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|3|[[Electro Shock]]|2001.05.07|Nuevo Laredo}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|57|[[Electro Shock]]|[[Hector Garza]]|2001.06.15|[[Auditorio De Tijuana]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Hector Garza]]|2001.07.01|Nogales, Sonora}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[Mascara Sagrada]]|2001.08.17|Madero}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|3|[[Perro Aguayo Jr.]]|2002.03.18|Leon}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|58|[[Perro Aguayo Jr.]]|[[Electro Shock]]|2002.04.21|[[Chihuahua]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|59|[[El Dandy]]|[[Perro Aguayo Jr.]]|2002.08.31|[[Reynosa]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Perro Aguayo Jr.]]|2002.10.04|Auditorio De Tijuana}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[Perro Aguayo Jr.]]|2003.02.28|Puebla}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|3|[[Negro Casas]]|2003.07.24|Arena Naucalpan}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|4|[[Blue Panther]]|2003.08.31|Arena Naucalpan}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|5|[[Rambo]]|2003.11.09|Arena Lopez Mateos}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|6|[[Perro Aguayo Jr.]]|2003.12.14|Gimnasio Nuevo Leon}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|7|[[Rayman]]|2004.04.25|Juarez}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|8|[[Antifaz Del Norte]]|2004.06.06|Arena Solidaridad De Monterrey}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|60|[[LA Park|La Parka]]|[[El Dandy]]|2004.10.15|[[Roberto Gutierrez Frias]], [[Mexico City]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|58|[[El Dandy]] [2]|[[La Park]]|2005.03.26|[[Plaza De Toros]], [[Acapulco]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|1|[[Heavy Metal]]|2005.06.11|[[Plaza De Toros]], [[Acapulco]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|2|[[Perro Aguayo Jr.]]|2005.09.01|[[Arena Isabel De Cuernavaca]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|3|[[Pierroth Jr. II]]|2006.02.23|[[Arena Azteca De Pachuca]]}}
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| {{TitleDefenseLine|4|Ultimate Jeopardy Steel Cage Match|2007.03.18|[[Arena Naucalpan]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryLine|59|[[Vangelis]]|[[El Dandy]]|2007.04.15|[[Gimnasio Ajusco]]}}
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| {{TitleHistoryEnd}}
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| Notes
| | I found this: Chucho Anaya is [[Jesus Anaya]]. [[CMLL]] has he became the first ever National Light Heavyweight Champion by defeating [[Black Guzmán]] in finals of a long tournament to decide the inaugural champion. That occurred on September, 1942 at [[EMLL 9th Anniversario]] show. [https://cmllgaceta.wordpress.com/historia-de-los-aniversarios-del-cmll/] This other link has the exact date as September 18, 1942[https://es-es.facebook.com/LaDamaDelRing/posts/841673392537537], this has September 23[http://rudezaesgrandeza.blogspot.mx/2009/09/los-primeros-que-calentaron-la-lona.html], and Wikipedia has September 25, 1942 (citing Súper Luchas) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_National_Light_Heavyweight_Championship]. |
| * Tarzan Lopez did not win a NWA LH or Middleweight Title in 1957. Enrique Llanes did at the end of his reign - maybe those are switched.
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| * Espanto I's first reign is skipped - do we have a tiebreaking source on that?
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| * [[Raul Reyes]]' title reign is skipped
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| * Dantes and Mendoza have more title reigns. Most in GDL, and they often fit in neatly.
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| * Santo had the middleweight championship concurrently - why would he be vacating?
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| * Mogur's title reign? Gone.
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| * Mascara Sagrada (Alebrije)'s reign is skipped
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| * Fix dates
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| Source: [[http://www.wrestling-titles.com/mexico/mex-lh.html Wrestling-Titles.com]]
| | Well, I'm more used to renumbering now (though an automated way of doing it would be better). Box Y Lucha lists it as September 23rd so I'll go with that. |
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| | Box Y Lucha 905 history: |
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| | # Chucho Anaya |
| | # Black Guzman |
| | # Gorila Ramos |
| | # Tarzan Lopez |
| | # Black Guzman |
| | # Tarzan Lopez |
| | # Cavernario Galindo |
| | # Enrique Llanes |
| | # Tarzan Lopez |
| | # Espectro |
| | # Ruben Juarez |
| | # Ray Mendoza |
| | # Raul Reyes |
| | # Alfonso Dantes |
| | # Espanto I |
| | # El Santo |
| | # Mil Mascaras |
| | # El Nazi |
| | # Alfonso Dantes |
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| | This magazine was published in 1970 but is missing the most reigns. Perhaps the series is a reprint from a few years prior? The Espanto title reigns are missing. |
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| | == 2nd Cavernario Galindo reign == |
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| | [http://luchadb.com/events/shows/00094000/00094923.php Zas! magazine] has Cavernario Galindo defending this title in 1952, a period where no champ is known (and our history gets very funky.) Not going to add without out more information on when Galindo won the title but seems likely he did. --[[User:Thecubsfan|Thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Thecubsfan|talk]]) 13:22, 30 January 2021 (PST) |
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| | == 2nd Enrique Vera Reign == |
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| | We've had it as 1979.11.30, but that's clearly not right - Wagner defends the title against Solitario in Puebla on that date instead. Halcon 405 has a list of title changes (dates, not locations) and doesn't list Vera as a champion in 1979. Lucha 2000 has it as 1980.11.30, which would make more sense. Maybe I'll be able to confirm it by the en of this month. --[[User:Thecubsfan|Thecubsfan]] ([[User talk:Thecubsfan|talk]]) 19:06, 2 March 2021 (PST) |
The most recent title defense against Pierroth Jr. was Mosco Pierroth, not unmasked fat Pierroth.--Robert 16:33, 31 March 2006 (CST)
This thread claims Vangelis is the current champion, but we don't have a date, location or any other confirmation. --thecubsfan 21:14, 5 May 2007 (EDT)
Was the Vangelis win ever confirmed? I don't see why Dandy could job his National Title to a guy that wrestles part-time and isn't near his level.--Robert 20:47, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
I got my info from an email group i'm involved in that follows title histories. I wouldn't have posted it had I not believed it was legit.--JT179 7 May 2007 (EDT)
I'm on the same mailing list but it'd still be nice to have an actual source. I have all four major magazines from that time period and none of them mention the change or such a match ever taking place in the lineups section.--Robert 20:57, 7 May 2007 (EDT)
Luchas 2000 edits
renumbering
I don't want to redo the whole page to add Chucho Anaya as the first reign, at least not without a year or a date, but it's probably accurate. --thecubsfan (talk) 13:52, 12 May 2016 (PDT)
I found this: Chucho Anaya is Jesus Anaya. CMLL has he became the first ever National Light Heavyweight Champion by defeating Black Guzmán in finals of a long tournament to decide the inaugural champion. That occurred on September, 1942 at EMLL 9th Anniversario show. [1] This other link has the exact date as September 18, 1942[2], this has September 23[3], and Wikipedia has September 25, 1942 (citing Súper Luchas) [4].
Well, I'm more used to renumbering now (though an automated way of doing it would be better). Box Y Lucha lists it as September 23rd so I'll go with that.
Box Y Lucha 905 history:
- Chucho Anaya
- Black Guzman
- Gorila Ramos
- Tarzan Lopez
- Black Guzman
- Tarzan Lopez
- Cavernario Galindo
- Enrique Llanes
- Tarzan Lopez
- Espectro
- Ruben Juarez
- Ray Mendoza
- Raul Reyes
- Alfonso Dantes
- Espanto I
- El Santo
- Mil Mascaras
- El Nazi
- Alfonso Dantes
This magazine was published in 1970 but is missing the most reigns. Perhaps the series is a reprint from a few years prior? The Espanto title reigns are missing.
2nd Cavernario Galindo reign
Zas! magazine has Cavernario Galindo defending this title in 1952, a period where no champ is known (and our history gets very funky.) Not going to add without out more information on when Galindo won the title but seems likely he did. --Thecubsfan (talk) 13:22, 30 January 2021 (PST)
2nd Enrique Vera Reign
We've had it as 1979.11.30, but that's clearly not right - Wagner defends the title against Solitario in Puebla on that date instead. Halcon 405 has a list of title changes (dates, not locations) and doesn't list Vera as a champion in 1979. Lucha 2000 has it as 1980.11.30, which would make more sense. Maybe I'll be able to confirm it by the en of this month. --Thecubsfan (talk) 19:06, 2 March 2021 (PST)
